tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20530625.post113828522543622018..comments2023-11-03T04:17:39.459-04:00Comments on The Truth About Cocks and Dolls: Playing with the PlayerUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger52125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20530625.post-87873407477617628062017-08-24T15:18:18.254-04:002017-08-24T15:18:18.254-04:00If you'd like an alternative to randomly picki...If you'd like an alternative to randomly picking up girls and trying to find out the right thing to do...<br /><br />If you would prefer to have women hit on YOU, instead of spending your nights prowling around in filthy bars and nightclubs...<br /><br />Then I urge you to watch this short video to find out a strong secret that has the potential to get you your very own harem of beautiful women just 24 hours from now: <br /><br /><b><a href="http://dating.syntaxlinks.com/r/FacebookSeductionSystem" rel="nofollow">FACEBOOK SEDUCTION SYSTEM</a></b>...Bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07287821785570247118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20530625.post-18305052446732287492011-10-12T06:34:34.903-04:002011-10-12T06:34:34.903-04:00'While in the middle of talking to the industr...'While in the middle of talking to the industry guy and Polly, PUA Dave came back around, took my arm, and said, "we're leaving now."'<br /><br />You got suckered, this is one of the more tactful approaches to leaving with a girl. Offering an 'exotic escape' from an otherwise normal conversation.<br /><br />If you're going to help girls defend better, best teach them the moral - avoid the game altogether (ditch the posers at first doubt or unbelief, and the group that suckers them). 'The game' is DEFINED to make males the winner. It would be folly to say otherwise.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20530625.post-56567784764710183902009-12-02T21:51:03.405-05:002009-12-02T21:51:03.405-05:00Hey Dolly,
I love how you were honest about your ...Hey Dolly,<br /><br />I love how you were honest about your feelings in your story.<br /><br />But people who get into this Game stuff are not (as first commenter William says) "motivated by Power". Very very few pickup artists actually are these power hungry crazy maniacs. Take it from a woman's standpoint: how on earth would this stuff work on most women if the guy was constantly thinking "we're gonna get em. we're gonna fuck em, and then leave. HAHAHAHA!!!" <br /><br />the general VIBE coming from a guy who thinks this way would ruin his game. <br /><br />Here is how most AFCs think. "I want love. I just want a girlfriend who is pretty and has a personality that fits me." Again, very few guys who get into PUA stuff are out there for predatorial reasons or to satisfy their manipulative needs.<br /><br />Now here's why most people who pick up The Game will get an immediate feeling that guys who do this are manipulative and bad people. The reason is because the people at the very top of this industry KNOW so much about the human psyche its scary. From what I know, I can explain why this whole thing is viewed as manipulative. The pickup businessmen know that humans have a natural tendency to want the "magic pill" to their problems. So for their target consumers (needy men), you will see everywhere the general message, "Guys, buy from me and get instantly successful with women. All those problems, they'll go away. like magic." and THATS why the pickup world has so many "routines" "techniques" for men to "apply". People do not go into the seduction community manipulative, but those who follow Mystery Method game and all that "quick easy line memorize and apply" stuff generally are manipulative. But the truth is, the people using this stuff rarely are actually successful. The truth is, there is no shortcut to find love, and definitely learning a few lines will not get you there.<br /><br />Most (successful) men involved in pickup have this mentality: "I am so happy with my life right now, that I would actually have to think twice before getting into a relationship with a girl, because it would only be worth it if we supplemented each other." Do you see how this is almost opposite of the manipulative mentality generally labeled on PUA? There are no tricks, no neediness to try to get the girl. The guys who are ACTUALLY good at Game are the ones who act the most natural. In the very end, The Game is a life transforming process to become natural and happy with your own life. Women naturally gravitate to that. The reason why The Game is controversial is because the industry relies on sex as a motivation for guys to get sucked in. <br /><br />I guess what I'm really trying to say, is that the Seduction Community is not bad when you get really deep into it. Yes, there is a trial phase where most men turn into robotic manipulative hazards. Sorry, but no one would join a community that said face-value "long ass journey to become a naturally great guy... buy my seminar videos and do what I tell you: go through years of trial and error until you finally become attractive"; sex and magic pills are used to lure guys who need the most help. (ironically, the way to become attractive is to be so outcome independent that you aren't even trying to portray yourself as attractive; you just are) After doing this for a while, a deep identity level change occurs, changing these needy guys into natural men who women are looking for. What really changed everything for me was watching Tyler Durden's "Blueprint Decoded" seminars. Most people think he's an asshole because of The Game, but if you watch just the first video of the Blueprint Decoded you will quickly realize what I mean about the TRUE purpose of pickup.<br /><br />JefUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12280262651533161355noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20530625.post-49329026690979383332009-09-07T00:29:50.501-04:002009-09-07T00:29:50.501-04:00What bothers me is all the potential for people to...<b>What bothers me is all the potential for people to act in a deceitful, disrespectful, and harmful way using these strategies. I can see a lot of potential for PUAs to abuse their power.</b><br /><br />Ah, but it's all right to abuse the power YOU have as woman, right? Manipulation, deceit, and trickery are all right as long as YOU are the one doing them, isn't it? Nah, what you don't like Little Missy is being beat at your own game, and that's what pisses you off about PUAs.<br /><br />BTW, I'm not a PUA, nor do I have aspirations to be one. I practice such masculine, patriarchally oppressive things such as honor, decency, integrity, etc.; IOW, I treat others the way I wish to be treated-with dignity & respect. Unfortunately, that's a liability with the modern woman, so I'm not successful with the ladies.<br /><br />I'm out of here. I've wasted enough time responding to this.MarkyMarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02710045100037253902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20530625.post-23513390632939255182009-08-05T12:51:42.945-04:002009-08-05T12:51:42.945-04:00So now… where does that leave us?
Well, here is ...So now… where does that leave us?<br /><br />Well, here is a real truth of "Cocks and Dolls"<br /><br />That we are all damaged, wounded, and we are seeking love. Friendship love, erotic love, romantic love.<br /><br />We all have desires, and urges, and yearnings. One gender's yearnings and needs are not more important than the other's. Not more valid, and not more sincere.<br /> <br />Has it dawned on anyone commenting here that America’s (and England’s) dating scene is equally absurd on both female and male sides?<br /><br />That a real lack of authenticity exists among women and men alike; Be they players, or totally unaware of game?<br /><br />That pop culture and gender war politics have warped both women and men into vacuous, needy, and pathetic people?<br /><br />That, oh Sara, chest beating and in your face triumphalism like "we are more sexual anyways, males just work for us. Yah, on your knees...in and out" is as disgusting, immature, and puerile, and possibly more so, as some misogynistic female hating tripe? (and both can betray a mind and soul that’s either wounded and sad, or as hollow and vapid as a box)<br /><br />That anyone thinking such thoughts, male or female, may be sick, deeply wounded, immature, and un-whole as a person?<br /><br />And inaccurate. For anyone with a bit of exposure, or who has had a real, mature, and mutually engaging relationship.<br /><br />I wonder how many mature, successful, fulfilling, relationships you have had in your life Sara..<br /><br />Both the fact that so many men are so desperate for female love and attention that they sit around and memorize routines and gambits and the like;<br /><br />And the fact that, honestly, many women seem to "fall for" such gambits (and often the more intelligent they are, the more they fall for it), to the point of needing to trade notes on how to recognize player moves, does not ALL of this illustrate how sad, sorry, and pathetic, both women and men alike have become in our generation? <br /><br />And does this not speak volumes about our mutual incapacity to love, <br /><br />our mutual incapacity to connect, <br /><br />our mutual incapacity to be whole and loving human beings, instead of mutually needy, mutually co-dependent, and mutually destructive?<br /><br />Don't blame the player, blame the entire stupid game. <br /><br />Or better, work together mutually to create a better game. Will this happen? Not on my life. But for those few women and men out there who truly, truly, want more authenticity in their relationships.<br /><br />It starts with being more authentic yourself. and ruthlessly cultivating authenticity in your own life.<br />Ruthlessly cultivating meaning.<br /><br />and learning the arts of being a civilized person interacting with others. The level at which art becomes spontaneous, where we learn not to be boorish, but to cultivate fellowship, and friendship - both platonic and erotic.<br /><br />It all starts with you.<br /><br />I wonder how many out there reading this have the courage to truly go out and try to cultivate meaningful romantic and erotic relationships? <br /><br />And better, to try to cultivate their own lives of meaning, intelligence, and authenticity?<br /><br />Not many.<br /><br />Because it is easier to criticize than to work on ourselves.<br /><br />A vice that women and men share, in spades.Kamal S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03047151493953440632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20530625.post-57774145065963413602009-08-05T12:48:15.823-04:002009-08-05T12:48:15.823-04:00This is a long comment, you can skip it by scrolli...This is a long comment, you can skip it by scrolling down, but in doing so you will do yourself a disservice. I shall say a few things, pointing out a bit of rank hypocricy, and next pointing out how our dating culture, and not just "PUA tactics", show how poisoned and inauthentic we are, as a culture.<br /><br />1. Does anyone bother reading Shakespeare or Ovid anymore? 1001 Arabian Nights, or even the Kama Sutra? Turn off Hulu, stop being mediocre, and go a book or something.<br /><br />For thousands of years Women and Men both have responded erotically to certain things. Both men and women respond to the mutual seduction of each other.<br /><br />Little gambits and moves have been known for generations, for both men and women on seducing each other. Yes, here is some artifice, in a woman's puppy dog eyes, or her flattery, or her displaying a bit of cleavage or legs. We have an old phrase.<br /><br />"Feminine Wiles"<br /><br />"Wiles" defined in a good dictionary has the connotation of devious stratagem.<br />Modern "PUA game" shite is equivalent to the cute artificial gambits published in Cosmo magazine, or traded back and forth between girls in high school. Such arts that many women grow up learning as "feminine wiles”.<br /><br />Both CAB be equally vapid, and hollow. But both can also be flattering and artful. If DONE WELL, Women or Men using certain wiles to seduce each other is being flattering and artful.<br /><br />For nothing is more flattering than being desired. There is some truth that finding and keeping love is an art, to be cultivated and practiced. So too in any interpersonal connection (friendship, business networking, parenting). <br /><br />Some things come naturally to a few people, for others, interpersonal skills have to be cultivated.<br /><br />Our culture’s expectation that aught having to do with love must be spontaneous is simply cultural brainwashing. Everywhere worldwide people know that there is a certain dance, of sorts, between a man and woman.<br /><br />It starts with the meeting of eyes, and a certain look. <br /><br />However a lot of modern male "pick-up artistry" and female "game" alike is not only flagrantly artificial, but obnoxious. But this is because WE are artificial and obnoxious.<br /><br />I lived around 4 sisters, a mother, and at times a very controlling grandmother. As an adult I have more female friends than male, some are lesbians, and all tell me little secrets. What they do not tell, I observe, so trust me...<br /><br />Wiles are by definition manipulative tactics, I know quite a bit about female wiles.<br /><br />And many work on me; they generate a response. In spite of my being conscious of them. <br /><br />In fact, when girls I've dated have employed them, seductively, on me, I often found it to be cute. Calling them out on it could be rude, now wouldn't it? <br /><br />Why? Because the fact if a woman who desires me tries to use her wiles on me, seductively, it is flattering. It means she desires me.<br /><br />How is that insulting? To be desired.<br /><br />Now using manipulative tactics to get something from me is another matter, but seduction is something mutually enjoyable.<br /><br />I have met a few girls who grow up not consciously learning such wiles, but all but a very few women I've met can employ them well, on at least a barely liminal level. <br /><br />In more civilized cultures, males too have often for hundreds of years culturally cultivated similar male wiles. Yes, it is artifice, but so is all civilization.<br /><br />In healthy, intact and whole cultures the game of courtship is enjoyed for what it is, a game, and a beautiful one.Kamal S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03047151493953440632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20530625.post-29657536147357785252009-01-19T23:01:00.000-05:002009-01-19T23:01:00.000-05:00...also forgot to commend you on being sooo honest......also forgot to commend you on being sooo honest about your story and sharing it w/us. It just shows how easily this stuff can work even when you know exactly what's gong on! I'll be posting similar blogs of som of mine and other gal's stories soon too, as many gals have had this happen. *They also try to get us to question our own saniity and intuition when we call them out and they deny it. then we think "oh I'm just being silly", but always trust your gut...you women's intuition. We all have it and so don't let them bypass that too by making us question our instincts! You are inspiring and brave to tell your story!!! Tahnks. =)Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13795642705524506286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20530625.post-79417866940471928902009-01-19T22:49:00.000-05:002009-01-19T22:49:00.000-05:00Hey girl, good job calling him out. I personally h...Hey girl, good job calling him out. I personally have run into many PUA's who's game is subtler and harder to detect, and thus more effective. I once called out 3 in one night! But I would never have allowed him to lead me out of the shindig, for just the mere finding out a guy's a PUA, totally disgusts me to no end, and I don't even bother to waste my time. Whatev the motives are, they are all not good enough for a classy, smart, pretty gal like me... or any of you for that matter. I have had to raise my standards(during the initial screening) sooo high that only a genuine man would do the work to get me. Because if you let'em think they can get you that far to even isolate you, then they just think "oh if I practice this a bit more I can get the girl..." I don't let them think anything other than "man, this PUA shit totally doesn't work and this gal is waay to smart for me"(which in turn also serves to raise their attraction for me sometimes) then on to the next target, or if they'r smart, they begin to realize that the only way to get a genuine classy gal is to do the work and be themselves. Part of my anti-PUA mission is to help these guys realize that this game is wrong, and that they will NEVER get the kind of "unattainable woman" they want this way if we just allow them to. We need to put a stop to this trend. Disease is on the rise and these PUA guys are doing far darker things than most of you realize. They are bragging about their conquests online and everything they were able to manipulate her into doing (anal, not using condoms, etc), and also posting pics and sometimes using camera phones to record the sex (so take them away! If they wanna have a good time, they'll do it!) and such to post online. They are using NLP (neuro-linguistic programming) to get gal to do things they normally wouldn't, that exceed their comfort level, and although they feel they can totally negate the woman's next day "buyer's remorse", most women who fall victim to this feel like shit the next day! Women were biologically created to be the "screeners" and men the "persuers", and so if we just don't bother to screen or just easliy allow them to bypass our instinctual screeneing processes, then they win. They feel they can "set the standards", but women are biologically engineered to be the ones who do this job (read the Myster Method: how to seduce beautiful women into bed, by Erik Von Markovik aka: "Mystery" to learn more about how these men have techniques designed to bypass woman's innate screening qualifications for mates). It's all a power play and sex is merely a perk for the ones who truely pride themselves on the game, which is based on unethical manipulative tactics. WE NEED TO SCREEN LIKE NEVER BEFORE... if they don't met our standards or try to cast a spell to bypass them, then we ditch them. A real Gentleman (or RG as we call them in the Order of the Mooncave), will naturally understand that pretty gals get hit on all the time and many guys are losers, so they will naturally understand that they need to prove how they are not like the loosers and thus deserving of our affection (and thus giving in to allow themselves to be screened is the 1st step). This sleezy Dave would've had his way w/you had he not fucked up, and you caught it. Many gals though, to your credit, would've still allowed his cheesy excuse to work and gone home w/him anyhow. If you wanna know what all we uncovered during our 6 month intensive investigation into the underworld of PUA lairs, go to myspace and find The Order of the Mooncave, and reclaim the goddess within! We aim to help educate women about this dangerous trend and the tactics/strategy they use, and to help women pick out a PUA and also how to properly screen effectively for a good genuine guy! Our methods work, because a PUA will never do the work when there's easier "targets" (as they refer to us..sick) out there. So if we get this movement to pick up speed (pardon the pun), then more and more women, will not fall victim to these lair liars (and yes almost ALL PUA's are liars!!!), then these guys will begin to see that no women will fall for this shit anymore and their game is cut off. But we ALL need to do our part. The only reason these guys are getting away with this is because we are allowing them to! We, as a generation of women, are not living by the same dating rules as our grandparents, and these men know this! They know we have not set high enough standards and they look for easy targets. Most women don't realize, as you mentioned, that most women WILL fall for this, and it only those of us courageous enough to say "yeah that would've worked on me too" are being honest with ourselves. It has only been recently that I feel confident in saying, "no loosers can get through my 'bitch sheild' anymore" (that's what they call our instinct to protect our feelings from being vulnerable when we 1st meet a man, since women are wired to be emotional and men physical, they try to evoke our emotions because if we decide to think logically about what we r doing with this guy, then we raise our sheid and instinctively protect ourselves). Come see our myspace page and read how they really talk about us. It's much different than all we hear on the tv show and books and sites, which is due to the fact that they wanna lure women into a false sense of security so we won't bother to take the time to investigate it further, but we need to!The things they say in their private databases and emails are appauling to say the least, and will make u sick to your stomach. Send us a friend request to read the blogs of all the "lay reports" we've collected. And yes they do write reports about their conquests for all the other PUA guys to see how they manipulated a gal into doing all manner of things. Could you be one of them? We of course hide the names if they are mentioned, and only give them out if we get a private message asking if someone's name is in any. We do this to protect the privacy and integrity of all women, because many of us know how it feels to be "bragged about" as a conquest. *We do not sell anything, and are not promoting any programs, or agenda other than ridding our society of this ugly trend and helping women to ban together to fight it, and to educate women about the PUA movement (unlike the PUA movement that has cult-like gurus that are making billions of $$ off these guys, and brainwashing them to believe if they don't use pickup they are afc's). It's sad that the men don't see they are being duped too!We ae also not "men haters'" as we know there are good guys out there. We will continue to add more info to our page too as we collect it form their private databases, and all sorts of helpful tips, and methods to evaluate your current standards for men, and how to fix any "weak areas" there too, so keep checking back with us! Myspace has become the new "trophy case" for "girl collections" that these guys show off, so think twice b4 approving that guy in your friend requests. We at the Mooncave, wanna commend you though for calling these guys out and helping to bring awareness to this trend and writing about it!! Kudos. But don't play with them until you know for sure you won't be taken in by their spell. We tell our goddesses-in-training the same thing. We also need volunteers who canhelp with the ongoing investigation, and legal advice for those who wanna file date rape charges (which is a new avenue we are recently looking into, due to the massive drugging incidents in our city recently) and people to help answer emails, share their stories, their standards, etc, for those gals wo want to get involved. Keep up the good work and we love ya!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13795642705524506286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20530625.post-49805238300308644062008-10-02T18:28:00.000-04:002008-10-02T18:28:00.000-04:00I've conveniently written an article about this po...I've conveniently written an article about this post to illustrate the hypocrisy in Feminist women's thinking:<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://manhood101.com/fem4.html" REL="nofollow">http://manhood101.com/fem4.html</A>Weeeeeeeeeeeeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12654120154661799191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20530625.post-10402494110846313492008-10-02T18:26:00.000-04:002008-10-02T18:26:00.000-04:00I've conveniently written an article about this po...I've conveniently written an article about this post to illustrate the hypocrisy is Feminist women:<BR/><BR/>http://manhood101.com/fem4.htmlWeeeeeeeeeeeeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12654120154661799191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20530625.post-91101676637469854372008-08-13T14:03:00.000-04:002008-08-13T14:03:00.000-04:00Hi,I have one Social networking site. This is Arti...Hi,<BR/>I have one Social networking site. This is Artists related site. U can make your Id and password here. There is so Many topics. Plz visit here : http://www.puaster.com/Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01742068218428037293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20530625.post-53754099616096062982008-05-17T16:42:00.000-04:002008-05-17T16:42:00.000-04:00Excellent blog post, Dolly.I'm one of these pickup...Excellent blog post, Dolly.<BR/><BR/>I'm one of these pickup artists as well, but I like to base my "game" on honesty, which I think is something that all PUAs should come to.<BR/><BR/>"Inner Game" is more important than "Outer Game." If a man has Inner Game, he will be proud of his true self and wouldn't feel the least bit of shame about telling the absolute truth. My theory is that confident honesty like that is attractive.<BR/><BR/>Feel free to check out my PUA blog at http://chiefpua.blogspot.com<BR/><BR/>-ChiefChiefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11609675623032058700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20530625.post-11273858136554493432008-05-04T04:05:00.000-04:002008-05-04T04:05:00.000-04:00PUA"s. You all have to play a stupid game to get l...PUA"s. You all have to play a stupid game to get laid...we (females) get it when, how, and with whoever we want it with WHENEVER we want it. Now remember a PUA is the same as an average frustrated chump because you are all still trying so hard (LOL). Males will never choose as freely as us...get over it, besides we are more sexual anyways, males just work for us. Yah, on your knees...in and out...ooh and make those desparate faces too!!(desperate to please us) You can peacock...but you can never reach the level of atractiveness that a female has.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13324110650023328226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20530625.post-89001961163013247492008-04-02T20:32:00.000-04:002008-04-02T20:32:00.000-04:00Those are guys who bypass part of the real essence...Those are guys who bypass part of the real essence of being a PUA, for a real PUA works on what the community calls "INNER GAME" witch is on Identity, Values, Congruency, and the definition as David Daita who wrote the way of the Superior man knows his own path, and embraces it!<BR/><BR/>-- SalsaSoldierUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04045695029953828074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20530625.post-72376125098852266562007-11-30T17:07:00.000-05:002007-11-30T17:07:00.000-05:00All men need to be educated on romance somehow. Th...All men need to be educated on romance somehow. The skill isn't encoded in our DNA; whether it be coming from our family or our experiences, there is a source and no man can say that they were naturally born compatible to women. <BR/><BR/>It might seem disgusting and manipulative to practice the art of Pick-up but it is truly necessary for some men. Especially in today's world where everything is so fast paced, impersonal - alot of good guys get left in the dust. When I say good guys i mean guys that have good intentions like a relationship.Catching Centshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03578157967107564540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20530625.post-1425538234772645432007-07-01T18:37:00.000-04:002007-07-01T18:37:00.000-04:00There is a debate amongst PUAs about how much a ma...There is a debate amongst PUAs about how much a man's physical looks matter for attraction.<BR/><BR/><I>Naturally, I was immediately attracted to him. After all, he fit the profile: tall, sandy hair, blue eyes, looked like he had lots of issues.</I><BR/><BR/>So, I'm curious. How often have you deviated from your physical type here and why?G Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10881813741948255884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20530625.post-60163108400159625772007-06-27T22:16:00.000-04:002007-06-27T22:16:00.000-04:00Oh my god, this is fucking hilarious! I use to do ...Oh my god, this is fucking hilarious! I use to do this same shit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20530625.post-38778004841622646912007-03-22T12:30:00.000-04:002007-03-22T12:30:00.000-04:00Dolly,I am, of sorts, a PUA. Like every other man ...Dolly,<BR/><BR/>I am, of sorts, a PUA. Like every other man in existence. Our brain is, in a sense, wired to seek out attractive women and flirt/date/seduce/have sex with them. The only difference between a 'PUA' and an 'AFC', therefore, is the technique by which they achieve their goals, in addition to their rationale in achieving them.<BR/><BR/>Much of the PUA community is very positive in nature: empowering men who may be lacking in confidence and who see girls they like, but can't pluck up the courage to speak to them. On the positive side, it's about inspiring guys to improve themselves with the ultimate aim of 'internalising' these canned routines, so that rather than a successful of false, cheesy pick-up lines, you're left with a man whose confident with his own patter and his ability with women.<BR/><BR/>Your experience seems to suggest you've met a guy who is 99% of the way there, but not quite. But the point is this - you fell for it. He succeeded. He charmed you. And - and you may not want to hear this - he wouldn't have succeeded if your subconscious didn't want him to.<BR/><BR/>The fact he lied about his age is, of course, bad and there is no denying that this was wrong.<BR/><BR/>That said, you should embrace the PUA community, because women offer similar communities in return. Just as men have 'The Game', you have 'The Rules'. Are we, the male of the species, complaining because we can't get into your pants, simply because you're following a ten-step rule whereby you need to date a guy three times before kissing him goodbye? <BR/><BR/>I would dispute accusations that 'the game' is premised on insecurity. It's not. It's based on 'inability' - an initial inability to attract women and find romance. But the skills it teaches you allow you to overcome that inability and turn it into, well...an 'ability'. And, if anything, 'the game' works more effectively on girls who themselves are the most insecure: the 'neg' - the PUA's stock-in-trade, is designed to hit at this very attribute when delivered at a girl who is too-big-for-her-boots or who has too high an impression of herself. When ego and reality dissipate, the PUA profits. When stability and security merges, we fail.<BR/><BR/>In summary, I would relax. It's flattering that a guy approached you in this way. Yes, he probably did want to get into your pants. But, he clearly thought you were attractive for him to approach - and in that case, pretty much all guys will want to get into your pants (unless they're gay). It's just that not all guys admit it...<BR/><BR/>The London Dater<BR/>----------------------<BR/>www.thelondondater.comThe London Daterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01739662056755367027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20530625.post-1168990603642131612007-01-16T18:36:00.000-05:002007-01-16T18:36:00.000-05:00I loved reading this. Keep it up.I loved reading this. Keep it up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20530625.post-1167560109004303372006-12-31T05:15:00.000-05:002006-12-31T05:15:00.000-05:00For whatever reason this blog shows time of replie...For whatever reason this blog shows time of replies but not dates. I only realized the original blog entry was nearly a year old after I had posted...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20530625.post-1167432977784072862006-12-29T17:56:00.000-05:002006-12-29T17:56:00.000-05:00Hey Dolly,I am proud of you for sharing your story...Hey Dolly,<BR/><BR/>I am proud of you for sharing your story with everyone and for the brutal honesty!<BR/><BR/>I am a PUA named David and I am 32 - and it was wierd when you started the post because we never met. No, I'm not the one in the story that is 42. You have permission to stop squirming now - a reaction I do tend to get from women as of late.<BR/><BR/>Anyhow, I first imagined Dave was kidding when he said 32 when it was obvious he was older, which you said at that point and that was my impression then. Obviously his reaction when you called him a liar proved that he WAS trying to lie. Not what you expected me to say, was it? Well, I think his second mistake was running after you to apologize - he should have sat there and enjoyed the coffee till you wised up and ran back into his arms (not that you think about that, right?). Furthermore, when you read references about the statistics of human sexuality, I bet you wish there was approx 1.00 more PUA's in your life.<BR/><BR/>But keep your chin up, kiddo, and maybe one day you will be lucky enough to have me look all the way down at your eyes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20530625.post-1167033773021464522006-12-25T03:02:00.000-05:002006-12-25T03:02:00.000-05:00>> Anonymous said...>> Zan says that honesty is th...>> Anonymous said...<BR/>>> Zan says that honesty is the most powerful aphrodisiac.<BR/><BR/>It's good to see some other masters mentioned here... this was too Style-oriented. The fact is that Style's 'Annihilation' method is a derivative of Mystery's method, and both result in the sort of PUA that was mentioned in the original blog entry by Dolly.<BR/><BR/>One of the biggest indicators that this was not a particularly good PUA is that he used canned material and existing techniques, rather than understand the reasons behind all of these and form his own, unique, method -- which is something all the really good PUAs do.<BR/><BR/>The Mystery and Style methods are most effective for one night stands and short term relationships, and there is no emphasis on making any sort of deep connection. It is strictly pick up oriented stuff, not relationship stuff. Worse, the tendency to produce "social robots" like Tyler Durden is inherent in them.<BR/><BR/>Other methods mentioned here are Juggler (actually Wayne Elise) and Zan. There are many others, like David DeAngelo, Ross Jeffries, Grant Adams, Badboy, etc., and I've read most of their materials, and even met a few. The thing is that despite commonalities (most of these are distilled concisely in Swinggcat's ebook), there are a lot of differences (some regional -- Badboy for example is European and from experience I know his approach is better there than in North America), and various methods and combinations will produce PUAs that behave differently. If women expect to detect PUAs, they'll need to understand that Style and Mystery followers represent <B>only a small cross-section of the seduction community</B>, and moreover, that all of the good PUAs <B>have acquired a deeper insight and moved beyond specific methods into their own thing</B>. I regularly hang out with several such people in Vancouver, and even I cannot tell them apart from guys that are natural and never studied or practiced pick up. These are people that have completed a transformation into a different person. Zan is a good example -- a computer geek, yet when I met him it was as if meeting Don Juan. He and several others are able to do something beyond mere pick up -- they induce women to essentially fall in love with them. I've seen this numerous times in the eyes of women after the best among my friends have had as little as half an hour with them. In the end, anti-PUA defenses will at best filter out the lower ranks of PUAs. That is still something, as those are the majority. Indeed, most that join the various seduction lairs now becoming common in larger North American cities simply do not have the persistence and motivation to become PUAs.<BR/><BR/>Speaking of motivation, I think it's simplistic to think that the majority of aspiring PUAs are motivated by only sex and/or power. I think that for most, at least most guys I know, that is just one of many reasons. I'd actually say that those are the primary reasons mainly for the Mystery and Style followers specifically. In my case, I rarely aim for one night stands; I like relationships. I don't hide that I'm a PUA, though I may not be in a hurry to reveal it. I've realized that there are many things I didn't know I would want in a partner for a long term relationship, and the experiences with different women have been invaluable for me to figure out what it is I am looking for. Additionally, I want to be good enough that when I find "the one", my skill will guarantee that I can take her as my wife.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20530625.post-1165061129127975372006-12-02T07:05:00.000-05:002006-12-02T07:05:00.000-05:00Zan says that honesty is the most powerful aphrodi...Zan says that honesty is the most powerful aphrodisiac.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20530625.post-1141284767897246782006-03-02T02:32:00.000-05:002006-03-02T02:32:00.000-05:00>Early in your post, you >said you knew he was lyi...>Early in your post, you <BR/>>said you knew he was lying<BR/>>about his age, because he <BR/>>looked older. But then <BR/>>when he admitted it, you <BR/>>cancelled your order and <BR/>>went home. Why the strong <BR/>>reaction to the admission <BR/>>versus the suspicion?<BR/><BR/>Attraction is not a choice. He turned into a wuzzy. (Source: DoubleYourDating)<BR/>From a men's perspective this would have been a hot chick transforming into a 500 pounds chick right in front of his eyes.<BR/><BR/>@Dolly: It is really great to see a female perspective for that and the other Field Report.<BR/><BR/>I am also seeing that there is a good and a bad thing to the whole PUA scene, a light and a dark side (Styles Post on Bristollair.com).<BR/><BR/>But I have also seen that I was at the dark side before ("nice guy") and I can just wholeheartedly point to an article on www.heartlessbitches.com about "nice guys", which helped me realize that I was not only doing wrong, but also hurting woman all the time.<BR/><BR/>I now just had the situation of "role-reversal", where I blundered into a gay-club and got approached in a stalker / "nice guy" way.<BR/><BR/>It was really a creepy experience, but it has again showed me how wrong I have been as a "nice guy". Now the challenge is to not become a jerk and to find this "golden middle path".<BR/><BR/>My life has very much improved since I have started with mASF and not only me, also the girls I am with have more fun. So I guess its a win-win.<BR/><BR/>For you not wanting to have a MLTR / threesome:<BR/><BR/>The woman that are in a MLTR are in there, because they want it.<BR/><BR/>MLTRs only work in the longtime if a PUA is honest about it, so most will be. The best example of this was a LR, where the girl told the guy after the lay "Call me if you wanna fuck". She also had two other FBs (friend with benefits).<BR/><BR/>And isn't it better to be honest about something than to cheat behind the back?<BR/><BR/>If you need more material to read:<BR/><BR/>www.bristollair.com<BR/><BR/>- razorjack method<BR/>- hitori on woman (inner game, nature and reality)<BR/><BR/>You also see there that Style was critical about 'social robots', 'dark and light' path and so on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20530625.post-1141274239931052192006-03-01T23:37:00.000-05:002006-03-01T23:37:00.000-05:00Matt,No, that doesn't count as lying.Matt,<BR/>No, that doesn't count as lying.Dollyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01234333432020422776noreply@blogger.com